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     M_lappin (M_lappin) |
Got our 4-210 apart today. This is the one we just completely rebuilt the O/U in this spring, planted about a 150 acres of beans then it just stopped moving. Turns out the six 3/8 inch bolts in the double coupler just got loose and literally fell out. Got looking in the parts book and seen if any new parts were ordered for this, the new coupler would have six 1/2 inch bolts in it and the flange on the input shaft on the transmission would have to be changed along with the flange on the shaft coming back from the O/U. Did they actually have problems with shearing the smaller bolts off? If I reuse this one they are going to get a good shot of loctite when reassembled. Also started tearing into our 2255, the one stuck in third, and once I got the cover off the transmission it got ugly real quick. So far am also going to need a low range gearset at the least plus whatever it is going to take to get it out of 3rd. | ||
| Chris Losey (Admin) |
I had wondered about those bolts. Didn't know the 4-210 used 3/8, as my 4-225 has the 1/2 bolts in it. Must be they had problems, or they never would have changed them. Just found out the radiator for the 4-225 needs recored. Going to run around $900. Cheaper than AGCO, as in 1999 they wanted about $3400 for a new one. | ||
| M_lappin (M_lappin) |
CORRECTION, three bolts in the front half the coupler fell out, two tried to come out, and one looked like it might have been all the way in yet, just guessing by what was left in the flange. One bolt was missing in the rear half and rest were loose. Had a real fun time trying to get what was left of the bolts out of the flange, then spend about two hours fishing to get bolts out of bottom of transmission. Was wondering if maybe right before the O/U let completely loose that maybe enough vibration was coming from it to loosen bolts up. Talked to one of the guys at Wyatt today and he couldn't find a service bulletin on it. Thought maybe they went to the 1/2 bolts so it could use same parts as 4-225 and would have less parts to stock. Checked on parts to update and only the flanges are available, the coupler is no longer a good number. Also have a problem with the park lock, it looks like one of the pins where the side plates attach is busted off and only one of the side plates is actually doing anything. If the cross shafts are removed and the shift rails can a person reach down thru there and get it out? Other than the coupler and park lock the rest of the transmission looks almost like new, no wear on gears or chipped teeth, all shafts and bearings have no play and the slide couplers all fit the shift forks snugly, get it put all back together and it should plant more than a few hundred acres next time. One more question, how do the 4-210's normally do on fuel use. Before it quit father planted maybe a 110 or 120 acres and it took almost 90 gallons to fill it back up. When it quit we stuck our 4-175 on the Hiniker and planted about 75 acres and took a little less than 50 gallons to top it off. Seems to me that the 210 is just a little thirsty, was wondering if somebody fiddled with pump and turned it up thinking they were doing them selves a favor, engine does run strong, no smoke, very little blowby, used very little oil. Am going to try to get it over to Wyatt sometime this summer and have them check hydraulics and put it on dyno to see what it actually has. | ||
| Chris Losey (Admin) |
I don't know on the 4-210, but my 4-225 uses about 10 gal/hour, but it does make it into power. Last time we dynoed it, it had 217 HP on the PTO, and the fuel has never been messed with. Gallons per hour seems to be the only real way to compare fuel consumption. What do you get for exhaust temps on the 4-210? More fuel means more heat. Our 4-225 runs about 720 degrees, but it is after the turbo, and I think may be off by a little. | ||
| Marty Lappin (M_lappin) |
It still seems like its a little thirsty, we use a 3 point 30' Hiniker air seeder and our 1855 would pull it easy if it had enough lift capacity. If anybody was wondering it is possible to get the lock assembly out of trans without doing more than removing cross shafts and shift forks, possible but not easy. Talked to the head mechanic today and the 2nd at Wyatt, and after thinking about it the only coupler they ever changed if they remembered correctly was on a 4-225. Had the 3/8 originally and put the 1/2 coupler in. However they have found other 210's and 225's with loose bolts or even one or two missing in the couplers. They said they allways put new bolts in if they have it that far down and ALLWAYS use Loctite on the new bolts. | ||
| Marty Lappin (M_lappin) |
Got the duals back on last night and the seeder moniter and clutch control back in this morning, hooked up to Hiniker and planted the last 20 acres of muck, got that done and made a big dent in the sorghum, about 60 acres of that left, then will be ready to steam clean the toys and put them away untill next spring, then will start on hay as soon as the forecast looks a little more favorable, not really that ready yet as it has been so dry and cool here that the hay is not that far along yet. | ||
| Chris Losey (Admin) |
That didn't take long. My 4-225 is still sitting in the barn, waiting for that shaft..... I got planting finished up yesterday, so apparently, we can make do without the big horse, but I'd sure like to see her back in action again. Our hay is the same way, it just doesn't look like first cutting is going to amount to as much as usual. | ||
| Marty Lappin (M_lappin) |
Yah, it took about 5 hours for me and the hired man to get it far enough apart to actually get in the tranny to find what was wrong. About half a day to get enough stuff out of the way to get the park lock out and fixed. Then almost a day and a half to put it all back together. Of course rerouted some hoses a little differant, made more hangers to keep aforementioned hose out of harms way, ran a new fuel hose back to the fender tanks, and repaired some holes that were stripped out for the side panel bolts. Have decided that the next one I work on that one of the inside tires has to come off. Period, absolutely am not going to climb over another axle all day long again. Need to do our 4-175 next, is noisey in several gears, absolutely have to take inside tire off on it as it is set in close for side dressing in thirty inch rows. Tires literally can't be in any closer than they are now, tough enough just changing or draining the water seperator. Did mow some hay today, this field was a lot better than some of my others in town on the sand. Alfalfa was almost waist high and the orchard grass was over belly button high, might be just a few round bales in that field. |
