| Author | Message | ||
     Gary |
i have a model 60T baler and yesterday got it out for the first time i had it and tried it with some round bales i have setting around. the baler does a nice job of making a bale, BUT the knotter system dont work right. the right hand side dont tie at all and just cuts the string, the left side ties, but then a double row of strings comes out.. i have noticed that i have a broken spring on the two arms i guess they are that basically lay on top of the bale chamber, sorry dont have my book here to tell me what the name of them are. i was reading in my trouble shooting section of my book about the bill hooks and string disc causing some of this, were there any "usual" troubles that i need to look at? | ||
| Chris Losey (Admin) |
How many bales did you run through? Could be some of the knotter parts are rusty and just need to get shined up. That trouble shooting section is your best bet. Those broken springs will cause erratic knotting. I had a couple of broken ones on my 720, and replacing them made all the difference in the world. Last I knew they were still available from an AGCO dealer. | ||
| M_lappin (M_lappin) |
We always called them hay dogs. Have three of them across the top of our baler, if the spring on the middle one is broke not a big deal, but if either one of the end ones are broke then there is a problem. | ||
| gary lee |
i have only tried about 4 or 5 bales. i could try running more and see if it makes a difference. i did order the one spring that my book says is the arm the runs the "twine finger" (not sure what it does). what do i need to look for on the bill hooks to see if i need to replace them? | ||
| John Schwiebert |
How much "slop or wear" do you have in the bill hooks. Are there any grroves worn in them from years and miles of twine passing through them? | ||
| gary lee |
actually no, they look pretty good. what i did notice last night as i was messing with it, it ties a pretty good knot, then cuts the twine on what seems to be the wrong side of the knot, or else it's not staying in the twine disc. i have also noticed that twine gets between the twine disc and the twine follower. the twine i have is green sisal and i'm wondering if that could be part of my trouble and should to to plastic. | ||
| Ian C. Campbell (Ianc) |
One of the best things you can do for yourself is use high quality twine. What you THINK you are saving won't look as well when you keep breaking bales with rain coming. We used to put upward of 30000 bales a year for 3-4 years in the 60's and we NEVER had a failure because of the TWINE using New Holland Premium twine (I think its called 7200 now,it's the thicker stuff). I can't say that with ANY of the other brands we tried, being as "thrify" as the next guy. Most old/worn knotters don't work well with plastic twine. Chris would have to check his parts book to see if the bill hooks for your baler are the same P/N as for the 720 baler. If they are you may be able to get the "for plastic twine" bill hooks for a Hesston 4500 baler as Hesston bought Olivers baler line and sold it until they came out with their in-line units. The dealer I worked for sold Oliver/White, Hesston, and New Holland. | ||
| dennis |
i use the plastic in my 60t and it works fine. i only used it because it was in the baler when i bought it. however plastic don't work in my 62t. why fix something when it ain't broke. i have a few new holland balers i keep in the boneyard for their knotters. deering knotters are the same as oliver. | ||
| gary lee |
one thing i might have found last night was the guard that runs along side the twine disc might have been too tight. the twine seemed to always get stuck between it and the disk, or pinched i should say, so i backed them off a bit. according to my book they say the "guard should be snug enough to keep the twine in the disc" which sounds to me like a trial and error type adjustment. | ||
| M_lappin (M_lappin) |
Yah, trial and error far as that adjustment goes. Used to have the same thing on our New Holland far as the bill hooks went. Amazing what a sixth of a turn will do sometimes. Ianc has it right too, Always used to run the NH 7200 twine in ours, when using the thrower wagons any other twine would just give a wagon half full of broken bales. When using the good twine and everything was adjusted right would maybe get a broken bale or two out of 175 to 225 bales a wagon. | ||
| Chris Losey (Admin) |
There is a lot of trial and error. I remember dad would walk along beside the baler while I was driving, and would watch the knotter go, and then make adjustments. Of course, don't try this at home! Twine does make a big difference. So does the amount of tension on the twine, and the amount of tension on the bale. About 2 years ago, I tried making some really tight straw bales, but they either popped open as they were grabbed by the thrower, or would explode when they hit the wagon. |
